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Chat_127 - The Hijacking Bitcoin Debate [Liberty Lockdown]

By Guy Swann

Aired Feb 13, 2025 · 2h 40m · Last boosted Mar 2, 2025

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In a past episode, I joined Steve Patterson and the host for what was supposed to be a discussion but quickly turned into one of the most heated debates I've had on the show. Along with Steve, who co-authored Hijacking Bitcoin with Roger Ver, we dove into a fiery debate about Michael Saylor—his influence, his ideas, and whether Bitcoin has been hijacked. While we all agreed it wouldn’t be a debate, the conversation sparked intense back-and-forths about Bitcoin’s direction and the potential dangers it faces. It’s a passionate exchange that touches on crucial issues w...

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geneeverettFeb 7, 2026
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The fact even reasonable people like this guest mostly sounds to be, are still acting like Gold VS Bitcoin is a thing worth talking is foolish. Gold is a ally not a enemy.
geneeverettFeb 7, 2026
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One of the more reasonable guests, but ignoring the previous cycles as just random they all match up is silly. No 60K is not bottom. 46K is coming. & no not going to zero. He said same thing about going below 25K in 2022 and we went down another 40% or so, we always overdo it and we will see 50K break.
geneeverettFeb 6, 2026
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U guys discuss the files, but don’t even read them and spend 20 minutes speculating. If ur finna discuss , how about spending time actually doing some research, if we wanted moronic speculation, we could talk to our friends. Podcast we expect more then this dumb show
geneeverettFeb 6, 2026
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We are in the bear part of cycle, we aren’t bottoming here, we will bottom close to 40K, we always do , last time was 15K, from 69K, how can u seriously say we are close to bottoming only 4 months out from cycle high? We will bottom let’s 2026 or 2027. Stop pretending the 4 year cycle died, it didn’t
geneeverettFeb 6, 2026
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Where do u get this crap? U yell u want the files released, then u complain when millions are, so tired & dumb.
geneeverettFeb 6, 2026
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Sorry for my other comment on this episode! I meant to post it on the co hosts other podcast episode, the one recorded a week prior with all the prices discussed being out of date, my bad! Posted it in wrong place
geneeverettFeb 6, 2026
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WTF? the numbers aren’t even close, u held this for a entire week? Bitcoin 60K at I type and was 85K last week when u recorded this, the numbers make no sense, dude please post these faster
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geneeverettFeb 20, 2026
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When a thing has a trillion dollar cap , it won’t keep having hyper growth. 126K pretty much should of been expected. Growth slows every cycle, stop promoting we will randomly have 2013 growth again, it’s silly.
geneeverettFeb 20, 2026
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We had a bear cycle bottom of 15K November 2022 & topped at 126K in late 2025. We topped the last quarter of year after having, same time we topped all previous cycles , we do have a 4 year cycle, denying this is silly. All of u keep saying it’s dead but it’s not ,
geneeverettFeb 20, 2026
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Deflation or inflation, Bitcoin go up no matter what!!!!! Just price skip talk on every bitcoin podcast, so tired & boring. Just hey no matter what Bitcoin go up, never any critical talk ever
1dullgeekFeb 19, 2026
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I am running BIP110. And you made an argument against it that made me reconsider. The argument was that BIP110 changes Bitcoin because it allows a minority to force their opinion on the majority. After thinking about it, I do not come to the same conclusion. I don’t think that BIP110 changes anything with respect to this risk. And opposing BIP110 doesn't mitigate that risk. This is a feature of Nakamoto consensus that exists today and will continue to exist regardless of which way BIP110 is resolved. If this risk didn’t already exist today, BIP110 couldn’t leverage it. There are two ways (that I’m aware of) to reject BIP110: 1. Almost all miners refuse to mine BIP110 blocks 2. Those opposing BIP110 exercise a URSF: user rejected soft fork. This effectively splits the chain. If BIP110 is rejected, those will remain the only ways to reject a different minority driven soft fork in Bitcoin. Heck if BIP110 becomes the only type of blocks that miners mine, those will also remain the only ways to reject a different minority driven soft fork in Bitcoin. So opposing BIP110 doesn't mitigate the risk that a minority can control the direction in Bitcoin. That will continue to exist regardless of which side wins. So I’m going to continue to run BIP110 because I think it does mitigate some significant risks for Bitcoin. But I’m willing to have my mind changed. BTW Intransigent minorities are a feature of complex systems not just Bitcoin. Taleb wrote about them in his book Skin in the Game. Here's the relevant chapter discussing it: https://medium.com/incerto/the-most-intolerant-wins-the-dic…
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Zero chance of recess appointments… bookmark it
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There is zero chance Trump gets Ron up for a 2028 run. He’s gonna get hurt so Vance barring something crazy. This is fantasy talk
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Gov Ron is never going to be AG in a Trump admin.
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geneeverettMay 2, 2025
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Last 30 minutes is just 3 people talking over re h other. Not helpful at all
geneeverettMay 2, 2025
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Besides Dave, these guests are broken clocks who can’t read the room.
geneeverettMay 2, 2025
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There isn’t gonna be a war with china 🇨🇳. These guys are stuck on old propaganda.
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Besides Dave, just nonsense spewing and propaganda
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geneeverettFeb 9, 2025
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How is needing good credit to get a loan the same as a a CBDC? That’s not buying something, that’s a lender taking risk. My goodness this host is a joke
geneeverettFeb 9, 2025
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Host needs to shut up and stop interrupting so much. Obviously it’s a conversation but man he interrupts non stop.
geneeverettFeb 9, 2025
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NIKE overvalued? What is this host talking about? U on crack?
geneeverettFeb 9, 2025
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8:45 - that’s BS. Micro Strategy is levered up.
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geneeverettDec 15, 2024
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The Euro isn’t down 50% this year. Come on Man U can’t be his stupid.
geneeverettDec 15, 2024
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This is so fucking stupid. Pete come on man U can’t he this ridiculous.
geneeverettDec 15, 2024
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What? How is libertarians wanting a candidate replacing God? This is the clown show!
geneeverettDec 15, 2024
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The more I listen to Pete, the more I realize he’s got such arrogance and ego it’s ridiculous…
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geneeverettDec 14, 2024
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Bitcoin Cash is dead. Why are we even talking about this? It’s down 99.5% versus bitcoin. The debate is over how he people chose
geneeverettDec 14, 2024
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Seriously this is just 2 people acting lope pathetic children. Especially the Swan guy (who I actually agree with ironically).
geneeverettDec 14, 2024
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The emotional outbursts here are childish AF. Not helpful at all
geneeverettDec 14, 2024
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The Ad’s u have on this are anti everything u stand for 🙄
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geneeverettSep 13, 2024
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So now we can’t Boost comments? Man I wish I never updated to latest app version :( I really had fun on Fountain and it seems like it was finally working well after early years being buggy but now I can’t boost comments? Sucks. NOSTR Sucks
geneeverettSep 13, 2024
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1dullgeekAug 7, 2025
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I think you misunderstood the fire movement. They're not trying to get a 25x return. They're trying to reduce their spending so that having a nest egg that is 25x their annual spending is easier. And then live a lifestyle that allows them to withdraw 1/25th (4%) every year. The growth they need to sustain that is to merely match inflation. They don't need 25x to do that.
1dullgeekAug 7, 2025
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Also, "Bitcoin is already an index of human incentive" is the most insightful thing I've heard in a while. I'm shamelessly stealing that.
1dullgeekAug 7, 2025
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As a PNRI, not all of us are stuck in the fiat mindset. I personally am as all in on Bitcoin as I can be until I actually retire. It's my long term savings. It's my checking. My paycheck goes directly into Bitcoin. We are not beholden to our generational ideas. And it is each of our responsibility to question our assumptions. Which has fed my orange pill.
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geneeverettJan 16, 2025
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No. It ripped on Nasdaq being up huge
hechJan 16, 2025
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hechJan 16, 2025
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Had to clip this for my friend who still says Bitcoin is only fro drugs and illegal activity.
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geneeverettApr 21, 2025
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Another BOOST! this episode was great!
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Great episode Tom!
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geneeverettJul 9, 2025
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How late are these posted? Drains gains? We are over 111K at post time. Chill with having delays from recording to posting.
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geneeverettSep 4, 2025
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Yields are down in USA. You just say random stuff that’s not true. Look at the 2025 chart.
1dullgeekSep 3, 2025
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Meant to say filtering. Dyac.
1dullgeekSep 3, 2025
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I don't think keeping transactions with op_return > 80 bytes is censorship. In exactly the same way that I don't think letting minors create more than 21 million Bitcoin is censorship. Calling both of those censorship is demagoguery.
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geneeverettDec 3, 2024
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Now do BHATTACHARYA. U won’t cause u ignore anything that doesn’t back up ur narrative
geneeverettDec 2, 2024
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You*****
geneeverettDec 2, 2024
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Yet I purposely don’t play any clips of the multiple individuals who were against it. So tired of these podcasts selectively editing to ignore things that ruin the narrative
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geneeverettMay 12, 2025
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Big shoutout to Shanon! Had a issue with a order and when she got involved it was taken care of asap! Much thanks 🥩
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Love beef initiative! But June please, the sales man thing just advertising every minute is a turn off.
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geneeverettMar 4, 2025
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My last Boost. This is clown world podcast. Enjoy ✌️
geneeverettMar 4, 2025
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Why do u bring on these frauds ? Seriously. Non stop slander of great hero’s and he says there OPs with no evidence. This guys a ego maniac who’s full of 💩
geneeverettMar 4, 2025
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Slander BS.
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geneeverettFeb 11, 2025
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Love ya! But just as a fan of this podcast gotta be honest. Hearing this is October conversation and being posted February, it’s a different world. Makes the conversation part talking bitcoin prices and pre election stuff it’s a long time in todays time.
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geneeverettFeb 11, 2025
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Just a suggestion, the full conversation is much better to post together instead of splitting it up into multiple parts. We want hours long podcast!
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geneeverettMay 24, 2025
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With all respect. You guys are wrong. The Auto Pen doesn’t matter for the pardons. Nothing in constitution. A president can speak it true. Ur telling ur viewers a nonsense fake story.
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geneeverettMay 24, 2025
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Would be nice if Dexter didn’t keep saying I “think I remember “ before going into something that didn’t happen. Obviously smart guy but like take a few minutes to get facts strait before doing a podcast.
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geneeverettDec 27, 2024
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The 2021 action didn’t suppress bitcoin price. It likely pumped it more than otherwise would of been
geneeverettDec 27, 2024
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Love u guys! But seriously retire the Super Cycle BS. We’ll go up less each cycle due to size of cap. We’ll keep going up but it’s ridiculous to shill the 1 million area for 2025.
geneeverettDec 27, 2024
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Literally impossible to be a “Super Cycle” please stop with this crap. It’s not going to out perform 2017 from 2015 bottom level. That’s ridiculous to even consider. We weren’t going to near 2 million.
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geneeverettNov 26, 2024
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This is the dumbest thing I’ve ever heard.
geneeverettNov 26, 2024
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This is so ridiculous. Q movement fight help Trump at all. It’s nonsense and proven BS dozens and dozens times over. Nobody believes this BS. All u so is push distractions.
geneeverettNov 26, 2024
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🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡 ridiculous
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geneeverettNov 26, 2024
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Calling out ridiculous horrible picks isn’t “Black Pilling” it’s just being honest
geneeverettNov 26, 2024
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Wahhhh wahhh is a good title for episode. It’s all Pete does this entire episode.
geneeverettNov 26, 2024
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I can save anyone the time. Whole episode is this “ I didn’t say that. Don’t blame me I never said that! I didn’t say this and I didn’t say that!”
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geneeverettSep 18, 2024
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My goodness, u just make stuff up. What happened to u Monica. 🤡 U claim it’s impossible for a agent to spot a gun that far? Why don’t u ask someone before spewing nonsense? U discredit everything else u say…
geneeverettSep 18, 2024
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This is sounding like random lacking evidence nonsense. The propaganda report should have some evidence preserved no?
geneeverettSep 18, 2024
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I’m all for different theories. I’m a conspiracy therapist myself.. but you don’t even provide evidence at all. Like there’s real conspiracies. Why do u not present evidence? It’s not weird the witness was transported to scene to identify prep. I’m all for any theory, just wish you’d provide evidence more often
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geneeverettJul 8, 2025
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Note to self. Skip any episodes with Dexter.
geneeverettJul 8, 2025
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You wanna know who sounds like Mainstream Media? You do
geneeverettJul 8, 2025
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Got excited for a market discussion. Instead got lame Star Wars talk and talk about Disney trash. The Critical takes weren’t make at all. Get outta ur bubble man
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DTSApr 17, 2025
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Excellent signal. Highly recommended. Thanks
geneeverettApr 17, 2025
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The current admin has literally told us exactly what there going to do and done it every step. Not understanding the suggesting otherwise here at all.
geneeverettApr 17, 2025
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Suggesting there’s no plan is silly.
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MarcJun 30, 2025
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I started listening to TFTC from the episode with Crypto Medecci. I don't remember what episode number it was, and I haven't caught every episode of TFTC, but I've listened to every episode of RHR.
geneeverettJun 28, 2025
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Love u guys, but where is the critical takes? Every episode is non stop no critical commentary cheerleading. It’s gotten to point why listen?
geneeverettJun 28, 2025
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Every single episode is cheerleading non stop.
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geneeverettMar 30, 2025
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Just the reminder if u stopped making clickbait titles to podcasts I’d go back to boosting 50K - 100K sats an episode not 100
geneeverettMar 30, 2025
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“Is The Lightning Network Dead”. Bro stop with clickbait titles. This was a good episode, don’t ruin it with clickbait titles and cover….
geneeverettMar 30, 2025
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Why’s everyone wrong? Aren’t most fellow bitcoiners pro lightening? Weird title for episode
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geneeverettJan 13, 2026
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As usual just a add for his company, this guys a Clown.
geneeverettJan 13, 2026
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Very telling u don’t mention Monero being up way more than silver.
geneeverettJan 13, 2026
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Jack, u sound like a fool. Impeached doesn’t mean what u say, Impeached is just the congress vote, The senate would need to convict , u sound moronic. If dems take house, they will impeach him, if whole take makes no sense, starting to realize u don’t know what ur talking about half the time
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geneeverettMay 5, 2025
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I’ve sent out 56 lightening payments the last two days and all worked perfect. I think it’s u bro
geneeverettMay 5, 2025
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U guys have ensured I reduce ur value received by 99% because u shit in lightening, not calling out problems but telling us it’s garbage. So I won’t risk sending u a higher percentage boost. Ass clowns 🤡
geneeverettMay 5, 2025
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So u guys trash lightening for an hour. But expect payment through it eh. Here’s 101 instead of 10K for crapping on it legit making it sound like a scam
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geneeverettDec 19, 2024
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Tim pool isn’t walking away with 100 million 🤡🤡🤡 my goodness do u just pull this crap outta ur ass?
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Flat earth 🤣. Nothing like non stop distractions from the liberty podcast 🤡
geneeverettDec 19, 2024
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This is same old nonsense. Sam spews literal nonsense and pushes distractions non stop.
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  • 500 via Fountain
    the book Hijacking Bitcoin is worth reading. Although I prefer small block and stable release, now I know that Bilderberg Group chair John Dillon invested BlockStream. And Cobra (bitcoin.org owner) and Theymos (21 yo cs student, in charge of bitcointalk.org and r/Bitcoin), proposed to "edit the whitepaper" critisizing it is out of date "The whitepaper is to blame for all these dangerous beliefs, We seriously need to rewrite it, or produce a completely new whitepaper and call that the Bitcoin whitepaper"
  • 500 via Fountain
    Hats off to you @Guy Swann for enduring a conversation with Steve. Good lord that guy is at least as an insufferable prick as Roger Ver is. Honestly couldn't finish listening past the first hour.
  • 500 via Fountain
    Thanks for all the great work!!
  • 6,666 via Fountain
    Interesting discussion. Too bad Steven resorted to so much ad hominem attacked rather than discussing his position in more detail.
  • 1,001 via Fountain
    Goddamn
  • 100 via Fountain
    Steve thinks he knows what he doesn't know. He can't accept the fact he was on the wrong side of a debate. He's stuck in a thought loop from 2013-2015. It's actually sad. Do not fall for the trap of reading his book. It's full of false equivalencies and propaganda.
  • 200 via Fountain
    I appreciate this conversation, but I wonder if Steve has any awareness of just how delusional he sounds. He consistently arbitrarily chooses which facts to acknowledge and which to ignore. His main arguments against facts that are inconvenient to his arguments are "you don't understand anything" and "so-and-so said this so you're wrong." What really blows my mind is the cognitive dissonance on display by people who adhere to strict literal interpretations of what bitcoin should be based on the white paper and early forum posts while also advocating for wildly unpopular, consensus-breaking hard forks. Very convenient how Adam Back's word is gospel, but only when he happens to utter something that seemingly agrees with the big blocker arguments. The majority of what Steve has said seems to be intentionally misrepresentative of reality.
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    The host clearly went full clickbait by brining up the block war stuff. Really lame given the topic reason for episode
  • 210 via Fountain
    I am past the point of caring about the Bitcoin vs shitcoin debate. And bcash and faketoshicash are shitcoins. Roger Ver and Steve Patterson are welcome to them. We all get Bitcoin at the price we deserve. If stubbornness prevents Roger and Steve from getting it now, that's is a problem for them not me.
  • 210 via Fountain
    Why is this dude arguing for b-cash when it is worth 0.0035% of bitcoin? It's less than the price of bitcoin when Mike Hearn was still around! He should get a job at McDonald's and stack sats instead.